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I feel like a special connection uh with [Music] Greece I find the mythology part really
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interesting let's go for dinner and I'm like excuse me it's almost breakfast for
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me you know how does the dating life differ between Greece and Italy like at
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my age you're expected to be married Rao or lionello no why you do this to me
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like malakas Mal welcome to the first episode of
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exper experts season 2 today we are kicking things off with a very special
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guest my good friend kiar tonello originally from Genova Italy Kiara moved
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to Athens Greece a few years ago driven by her love for discovering new cultures
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and her passion for Greek mythology in this episode we'll dive into her journey as a foreigner in
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Greece the challenges she faced and how she embraced and integrated into the Greek culture so sit back relax and
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let's explore this expert experience together welcome everyone to this new
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episode of expat experts um very happy to start the season two finally and with
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a little bit of surprise uh actually it's the first time that we do recording with audience so there is people around
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so if you if you hear weird noises are uh these people around us that are doing strange
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things um but on top of that exactly that uh but on top of that
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we changed the whole structure of of the episode so you will see a new things new new uh sections inside of it and of
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course I'm really happy to to have kiar here with me as the first guest of the of the Season welcome I am honored to be
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here as your first guest happy very happy to to have you um as a
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first guest of season two perfect we've been trying to do this episode for quite some time now so kind of that's true
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that's true but yeah I would say that without further Ado we could directly jump a little bit into your background
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and story as an expert you are originally from Genova in Italy yes exactly and I moved here about five year
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and a half ago I would say yeah uh it was March 2019
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just before Co one year before um so yeah uh actually since I
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was a kid I always loved Greece and um I loved Greek mythology that was a passion
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of mine since I was a kid I was actually obsessed like it was an obsession so uh I came here as a tourist
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in 2016 and I I fell in love with the city
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honestly like I think it's one of my favorite city in the
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world and uh I thought well maybe I should move here why not but it took me
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a long time to be ready and actually move yeah we also have the normal audience
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which is the cuts uh making noises in the background um how was your life in
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Italy I mean at that point of time it was also closing with some episode in Italy to say okay I leave everything and
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I go that's true to a new country or so uh you know um so plan a in my life was
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to become like a mythologist but you know it doesn't really exist as a profession so that's why I joined the
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Navy uh really logical decision see um
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and uh yeah I worked in the Italian Navy in the Coast Guard actually for about nine years and I was traveling around uh
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a lot uh um and that's how I ended up here in
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Greece and after 2016 I started to count more often I started to have some
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friends here to make connection and I already planned what I was going to do
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here um and so finally I quit my job and I moved um yeah that was funny when I
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had to tell my father that I had to quit my good paid and the stable job in Italy
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to move to Greece without job without a job without like with okay some plans
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but without like any stable job and so yeah that was fun can
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imagine so you've been now six years nearly six years say like
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that yeah yeah yeah in gree yeah do you remember the first uh experience when
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you arrived here I mean you said you know a little bit and you started to have friends here but it's different when you come as a tourist and you see
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the city a little bit like oh whatever but living here here and being here permanently yeah I remember I was
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sitting in a coffee shop with a friend of mine and we were looking for an apartment because I came here didn't
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even have an apartment like I was stay in at friends and so uh yeah I found my
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first uh you know place I went to see it and said okay I'm going to get this place I don't care it was here in p part
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actually and uh I moved there and was very happy yes I found my house and it
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was great yeah there was any moment that you say okay what why did I take this decision
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why why am I here why why I quit my job and left everything to go to a new
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country new language new everything to be honest not really because from the very beginning I always felt like uh
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home here I feel like special connection uh with Greece and yeah it's been of
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course it's not being like a easy Journey because to move in a country
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where you don't speak the language and especially the language is so difficult to learn I mean let's talk about it it's
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really difficult and the culture okay I'm Italian I'm Mediterranean so it's
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similar but still there are differences I feel so uh yeah
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need some time to to adjust to the new life but it's it's been nice what's the
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biggest differences that you would say between I suppose you're meaning more
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like in the sense of how people live their lives like lifestyle I would say one thing that I struggled the most was
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um uh the schedule for meals now I would say the most Italian
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things in the world so you know food in Italy is important it's like the base of
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the society it's like food and looks that's it and maybe football okay so um in
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Italy you need to have like lunch and dinner with your family like that's what you do and there are like specific times
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during the day where you allowed to have lunch let's say like from 12 till 2 it's
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a good time frame for lunch and then dinner from 7:30 till 9: I would say
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it's acceptable but no later than that like if it's 400 p.m. and I'm hungry I
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wait for dinner here it's total Anarchy yeah like people eat whenever they're
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hungry not when it's time to eat and for me at the beginning it was
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like a big problem CU all my life I'm used to it a certain time and all my
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schedule of the day day you know evolves around that but here friends would call me like
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at 400 p.m. I let's go for lunch I'm like
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what too late or like 11 p.m. let's go for dinner and I'm like excuse me it's
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almost breakfast for me you know that's crazy so that was a bit it
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needed some adjustment yeah what about the city itself you came directly here to aens yeah I came directly here to
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aens um I have to say that I like the fact that okay you
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can walk anywhere so I don't use a car I
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use yeah sometimes the Metro uh the buses but I mostly walk around and it's
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a very walkable City that's what I really like about that you're laughing
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why I'm laughing because half of the streets are destroyed but yeah depend walk yeah yeah maybe because my city
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Genova it's really uphill so it's uh like uh yeah here it's
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still uphill but better definitely um and uh yeah another thing
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that I like about at that I feel social life is really like um Lively there is
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always a lot of things to do and um I like that you can just call your friend
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and hang out get a coffee and stay for hours outside cuz um yeah people like to
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stay outside a lot here yeah makes sense you arrive here without a job
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without an apartment without anything but you said you had a plan or some
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plans what were those plans so one is because of you know I've been
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a passion I've been passionate about Greek mythology since I was a kid I thought about starting like um a
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storytelling experience about Greek mythology in Athens and so that's what I
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started uh to do and uh also I'm a teacher so I teach
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Italian online so that's I combine the two the two different things yes so
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that's the jobs that you traded from the Navy for the Navy yes that your dad is
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not that happy about it no yeah okay I see
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I mean I find the mythology part really interesting and I think it's something that it's very specific in that sense it
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was one of the big triggers for you to come here yeah definitely definitely did
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you learn a lot while being here like it's something that really changed your perspective on
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mythology or or I would say that I knew a lot before
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coming because um so my passion started when I was like 10 years old
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and I read this book it's uh by an Italian author so uh
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that wrote a book for like teenagers and um it's like in the form of a diary
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written by a goddess heie the goddess of immortal Youth and she's the daughter of
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Zeus and Hera and she tells all the story by her
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perspective you know like a teenager so it's very appealing for teenagers
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and for some reasons I really love this book and I
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was very fascinated by all the stories and I started to read more and
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uh in Italy we have like a special school um where you can go you can study Classics okay so that's what I did I
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studied like ancient Greek Latin philosophy mythology and uh yeah I wanted to be a
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mythologist but unfortunately it's not an option so um but I continue studied like by
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myself reading books and I studied actually French and English literature
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in um like as a degree and uh I went on a Exchange
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program in France because I knew that there in tulus they have a lot of courses about Greek mythology so I
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studied also that's there yeah
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well going to France to study Greek mythology sounds like not a common thing to do and totally not related to my
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degree but okay so you talk about the storytelling itself but does that mean
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that then you limit a little bit your mythology storytelling to things that happened in Athens or it's a little bit
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more like how do you focus because a lot of the Greek mythology stories happens in Islands or remote places or even
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fantasy places sometimes so it just like yeah um I would say that I start telling
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stories about the creation of the world the creation of the Gods and the creation of
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humans and then I tell some uh stories about some uh
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um I would say I tell stories that I like that I enjoy telling mostly but
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then there are also many stories that happen in aens uh like all the stories about Theos you know the guy that killed
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the motur all the story of the contest between aena and posidon why atam is
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called atam so yeah there are also some stories in atam yeah nice maybe going a
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little bit more into like surprising or challenging moments that you've faced here you said that you arrive to Greece
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just before the pandemic yeah how was Co here o interesting question yeah so um
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yeah at that time March 2020 I was just back from India because I went to study
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Greek mythology in India to study indiaan mythology I studied yoga in India I just came back and um yeah they
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were like okay guys we're gonna lock you inside the houses I'm like okay fine
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what is happening um so yeah it was a maybe I
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was a bit lonely but I had like a program like I was uh studying doing
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yoga doing my Italian lessons um so for me it was fine and I
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still managed to see my friends somehow uh we will go we will not say
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for walks we were hanging out and doing walks or they were coming to my house I
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was going to their house yeah we were living close uh so but yeah it was something
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because you know I was alone in a foreign country where I didn't speak the
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language back then so I didn't didn't know really what was happening and um yeah could be it was a
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bit lonely at times yeah I was going to ask also like how did your family take
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the whole thing because first you leave something and probably was surprising for them in the sense of like you had an
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stable if we can consider a stable life in Italy and then suddenly you decide to
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leave uh them or the whole thing to go to another country and when you arrive
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there they close you lock down so you cannot even go to visit your parents for example yeah yeah yeah that's true
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that's true uh well my parents they have very different approach like my father
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is always very scared and preoccupied my mother is always like very
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chill uh and they always get married you know yeah
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yeah um so yeah my father from the beginning was always a bit like
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skeptical but then he saw me being very happy here and so he accepted that
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eventually and my mom from the very beginning was like Kara it's like Destiny you always love Greek mythology
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makes sense that you move to Greece and you do something related to that and so
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yeah have you changed a lot in this last five years like did you consider that
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gree has changed your personality or your way of being yeah probably I think
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I'm more open uh um probably I I met many different
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people you know my city where I come from Genoa it's a beautiful city but it's not really so much I feel
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Multicultural yeah maybe there are some uh like specific nationalities but not
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from all over the world while here in aens you can find really people from all over the world and it's something that
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for me it's super interesting I like to have friends from uh different uh
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nationalities and this you know it help you also to um get new ideas like I I
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met you for example you do this interesting podcast you know you can uh
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Inspire also people you know uh so I feel inspired by by people like you mark
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thanks so free marketing promotion yay um
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we you said a couple of times already like uh about uh uh language barriers at the end oh
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yeah you speak Greek now right I speak Greek I would say I'm um intermediate so
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I can do like easy conversation you know
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about daily life I can get by you know but I couldn't uh talk about I don't
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know philosophy or politics in Greek not yet I will get there but not
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yet I mean I heard you speak in Greek and it's a bit more than intermediate I would say but yes sure um how did you
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learn like did you study with groups or with by your own or um I did many
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different things so first I took like um a group intensive uh course where I
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learned like the basic ramar and then um I started to do like
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um um a lot of listening reading and
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writing by myself and then I took some speaking classes and I try as much as I
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can to speak like in my everyday life yeah nice what would you say that it's
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the most rewarding part part of being here like what you consider okay this is the best
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when when you are in the moment of Doubt like what reinforces the decision
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the fact that I feel very free here it's a strange feeling I feel I can do many
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things that I couldn't do like in Italy I can um go out every night for example it's
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not like okay something that but still you know there's always something to do
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um you can always meet different people um you can EXP explore many
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different hobbies and the Greece as a country is so beautiful you have the mountain you have the sea you have the
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ruins sometimes I just go home I take the bus and I see like the paron from the windows and I'm like oh my God I'm
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so happy that I'm here you know I have this feeling like that yeah but you
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would say it's the opposite like what is the difficult part of here difficult
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part yeah sometimes it's a bit um the fact that
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um especially I feel that in order to be truly accepted you need to learn the
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language to speak fluently the language yeah sometimes I feel sometimes
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uh I don't understand so much like the bureaucracy or like um just how things
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go uh it's kind of difficult I feel this country sometimes I'm part of the culture sometime sometimes you know um
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yeah I feel maybe uh there are some misunderstanding with Greek people because it's a
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different culture yeah what would you
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say it's the biggest challenge that you had here so far
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like I don't know like you talk about bureaucracy saying everyone who is an expert in gree has passed through
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bureaucracy but is there any episode that you said oh [ __ ] this this nearly
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break me yeah yeah yeah so uh you probably know I bought a house
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here and the process was never and I renovated the process was never
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ending and you know the people that were doing like uh the renovation they didn't speak English of course so I had to you
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know with my Greek try and make understand and you know many times I found out that people were expecting me
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like to have a husband so like the worker was saying well can we please talk to your husband
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and like sorry I'm not married you have to deal with me so this also it's a bit
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uh yeah that was a challenge and they were treating me like I was a small kid yeah yeah yeah you have your own idea
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but we're gonna do whatever we want in your house so yeah that was a bit a
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challenge Greek patriarchy yeah this is something that's actually yeah I I felt
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here a bit I get it ABS I mean I'm a man but I get it so imagine um and a whole
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part of like the marriage Obsession and this kind of thing it's crazy like even a lot of times you go to buy things and
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they treat you even when I'm here with my with my partner but we are not married they always treat you like you
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are married like it's always like referring it's very very in
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that it's not my wife just like we are
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couple I don't know it's it's funny to see it's a conception I suppose it's part of the culture it's part of the
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culture definitely and like at my age you're expected to be married like why
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you're not married what's happening I think there is also influences of like church like
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other things that are in between that are hard in that sense so maybe the last question before
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we jump to the next point would be if you ever considered during this six
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years going back to Italy that's so fun never
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never okay um I feel like home here you know when I
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go back to Italy I I cannot wait to be back here here that's this cheap change
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of Chip of like because people take some time for example to consider a place a new place home some not always but most
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of the people it takes like a couple of months until you establish and relax for you it was like okay for me it was uh
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you know like when you fall in love like it's love at the first sight for me it was the same with
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d CU I've been in many different place that I I like and there are many
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beautiful city that maybe I think there are are even more beautiful than aens but for me I had this feeling like
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a love at first sight with the city yeah I love the chaos I
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love all the things yeah yeah cool uh
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maybe before we close the whole expart experience on your journey I would say that if you have any life hack adice tip
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that you would give anyone who who wants to move to a new country or even more specifically bre if you have anything
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yeah definitely um one thing is that try not to hang out just with the expert but
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try to like be more immerse in the local culture because again if you don't learn
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like the language if you don't have like um for example here in GRE Greek friends
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you're always going to be like an outsider and maybe your friends are going to leave because they are experts
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so I think it's good to find a way to be like a bit more grounded and um yeah so learn the
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language learn the culture and have like also local friends build your own community so that you can feel like home
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cool with that say I would say that before we start with the next uh um
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section I will put the middle thingy like remind to all listeners that the
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information you can always check our website expat experts podcast.com but with that said uh let's play a bit
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let's say like this yeah okay so this is one of the new sections and I want to
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let's see okay it's based on mini games a little bit but it's the the whole idea
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it's getting a little bit more deeper in both cultures in your case in the Italian one and the Greek one and maybe
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test ourself a little bit on what how much do we know of of the country that
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we we are living in okay so let see let's see uh the first mini game that I want to
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propose you today it's called Lost in Translation all right and the dynamic of this uh it's very easy so basically each
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of us one by one will say a saying I will use the Greek expressions and you will use Italian expressions and we have
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to guess exactly and the other person needs to try to understand uh what does
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that means uh not not the literal words because you speak Greek and I speak Italian so the literal
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what the real expression means all right okay let's start okay so my first one
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would be um you know in Italian we
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say Okay English translation direct translation it's go to bed with the
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chickens with chickens uh I would go for
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I don't know oh gosh that's hard going to bed at the same time as the kids
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maybe yeah it's similar yeah go to bed early okay yeah you know where it comes
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the idea of chickens go back to early or I think because you know they wake up
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early makes sense so they may go to bed early I
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think all right um GRE okay I'm ready when they ask you tianis
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which at the end it means this is easy like what are what are you doing yeah
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you can respond to that KIA
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esno they would be Tara and you would respond to meas
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peraso um C like so and
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so no no cerno means planting beans okay
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and it's basically an abive way of responding to someone or being a big
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answer of like you don't really want to respond to that person and they ask you hey how are you doing I'm planting
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beans okay that's okay that was hard let's continue
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yeah okay so one I would say for
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example um okay this one is easy in Balo I play with Advantage with this one
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because we have the same in in Catalan you so it's in the mouth of the wall in
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the mouth of the wall so it's when you put yourself in a controversial situation or like uh uh entering the
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mouth of the wolf like in the sense of like you enter a difficult situation in at least in Catal no no really okay
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no no we say that um it's a as a wish oh
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yeah we say go to the wolf of the lion you know like when in English you say break your leg Yeah in Italian we say
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that we say go yeah okay no in Catalan and Spanish when we
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say it's that you are putting yourself in trouble let's say like this that you're entering Danger
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it's a which for example you started a new podcast okay sayal like break a leg
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okay so no I didn't know the real I translated it to my own mother
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tongue let's say like this okay let's do another one in
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Greek and I would sayy
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I have no [Laughter] cluey you know what it
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means alect elector it's rooster
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ah still no idea and it's actually
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referring to the fact that the rooster is the one that wake you up oh so if you
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cut down the rooster or the chicken that is waking up it's that you fall asleep you're arriving late to a to a place
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because you killed the chicken oh okay it's for the people who fall
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asleep and arrive late to places W so many chicken today in the podcast yes and so many people so many Greece who
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will be criticizing my accent in Greek and it's fine it's
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fine okay let's do the last one in Italian and then okay so we can say for
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example to stay in the theme of the chicken we say
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k Kos like I know my
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chicken when you
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know what are you getting into like yeah like when you know like how the situation or how some
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people are going to react so you say I know my chickens okay
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how they're going to do so you do something and then the you're like for example someone that
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is always arriving late you expect them to arrive late you
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say so gab Gabriel's reference Gabriel Yeah Yeah Yeah from from the first
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season episode with Gabriel he's always arriving L uh let's do the last one
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before we switch of game
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uh so when we hear when we have a small uh cherries you hear about many cherries
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when you hear about many cherries you keep small uh K small Bean
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basket when someone lot of cherry small basket
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because uh so the basket can be more filled with cheres don't know they
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actually use it for when something be seems to
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be too good to be true or when people makes big promises
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but you should manage your expectations because you know that that person might not be delivering into that okay
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interesting cool then I would say we jump to the second game perfect which this one you
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don't need to be that much involved I mean you need to take decisions but uh okay it it doesn't require for guessing
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uh other langu to work so much okay I
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called this game let's find the top and basically it's a comparison game like
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versus versus thing so basically I would be telling you in at category mhm
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different um items or uh subjects to choose and then you choose between one
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or okay perfect let's do that knowing that one of your favorite topics in life
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I would say that we start with mythology and try to find the best mythology character or the one that you last like
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the most at least yes um Athena or Medusa or Medusa
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Medusa I have to say Medusa or zos Medusa Medusa or the minitar
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Medusa Medusa or haa Medusa Medusa or
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cyclopes oh the cyclopes cyclopes or
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posum the cyclopes cyclopes or cus oo
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cus cus or cus Cerberus or
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Afrodita that's a tough one I mean I like aphrodite afrod
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um Aphrodite yeah Aphrodite or
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Apollo Apollo Apollo or emis emis
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emis or Aris emis emis or Hermes emis
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not the brand yeah yeah not the Aris emis or
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hesus emis emis is the winner then yeah actually she is one of my favorites it
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makes sense why why is it well when I was younger I like her more now because
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she's the goddess of the Hunts and the Moon and she's like a tough cookie you know
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she's like yeah she she's like a strong independent
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woman now I have to say that I'm very tired to be a strong independent
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woman I prefer H she's more like peaceful like the fireplace the home we
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don't know anything about her very mysterious you know so I I like Hestia
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more SOA would have won if it wasn't yeah yeah for sure all right then I would
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say the second um section or topic let's
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say like this it's food o okay and I think here we will create a
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lot of drama between Greeks and Italians okay yeah yeah I think people will kill me but um let's test Italian versus
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Greek food oh okay okay I'm ready I'm ready musaka or
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Las Las lasna or PAs Las Las
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Oro depend what type of Roto Fi Fi okay
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uh rioto fi
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Su or spaghetti Su or
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or past of course I'm from
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gen Oro or past pesto pastal pesto or
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fa T but I'll stick with pastal pesto yeah pastal pesto or pizza margarita
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pesto pastal pesto or
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sagak [Music]
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mo mo or Mo
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moella mozella mozella or AKA Greek salad
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mozzarella for sure Greek salad mozzarella or cpre Salad well capr
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it's the addition of tomato so why not capr capr salad or
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lukumades capr salad capres salad or canoli capr you stay in the healthy side
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then no it's because I don't have a sweet tooth I prefer saory yeah
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all right then capre salad win suaki was there for some time yeah
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nearly nearly nearly survived okay the last game that I want to do today it's called guess the
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gesture interesting I want to play this with you specifically because I know
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that both Greeks and Italian has very strong gestures on things so the whole
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idea is that I will show you I gesture how the Greeks does it and then I would
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like you of course to guess if you know what it is okay but on top of that tell me if there is an equivalent in Italian
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in Italian I have to think yes yes I'll see yeah let's start easy when a Greek
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person does it's like uh no not at all yeah
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it's the oi yeah it's a oi um yeah we do actually similar
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sometimes in Italy depend on the region you know in some region they say they do like that also like backwards and then
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the sound that it's very appealing for
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conversation when you turn the hand next to your um
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head yeah the fingers kind of open it's like you're crazy in actually in Greek it's it's
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very commonly used for say tea what are what are you doing yeah yeah do you have a gesture
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like this in Italy do you mean like when you ask yeah I think this one
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like what do you mean one of the funny parts like in the
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road especially open palman this one I I like you can also do
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like that double the double pal is like n yes yeah it's like go away you
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know like um yeah considering someone stupid or someone is getting in your nerves so you show the Palm to them and
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then you double Palm them even more yeah do you have something like this in in it we have more it's more vulgar you know
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it's like finger the middle finger or like this one you know it's like go yeah
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go there go go [ __ ] yourself
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yeah when you do this sign especially in a restaurant this sign it's like uh can
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I pay yeah can I pay do you use that in Italy there is a lot of countries that if you do this it's like completely
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disrespect no no no no it's uh no we don't do it's a bit especially in my
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region I feel we don't do it it's a bit disrespectful yeah but here everybody does it yeah you already said about this
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one yeah in Greek in Greek doing this one you do this in Greek you can do that
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yeah oh I didn't know okay and it's the translation of omorose when something
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it's nice or something it's you do like that like yeah like the going down yeah
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but in Italy you can do the the low down you can do the agressive one yeah the
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aggressive is like moving and this one it's uh yeah nice we have more like that we do
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like which means more like it's perfect it's perfect yeah
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nice and the last one and of course the famous
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one like Malak Malak how do you say [ __ ] to someone
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in Italy single G say in a single gesture oh my god do we have that
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well we said we do like that but it's not like you're it's like wishing
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someone bad like go this is actually you will be cheated on like
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something they will put you there yeah it's like yeah okay interesting I think
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it's used here also in Greece there is people who use that like especially when someone that they don't want to listen
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them saying like if if we are two US of was talking [ __ ] the audience could
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be doing that to each other like oh this is but I don't know exactly if it comes
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from the same background cool um I'm just checking TimeWise but
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maybe yeah why not we can do the last game I had it as an optional but uh we
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are pretty good on time so that would be okay and for this they will even kill us
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more than the previous probably so it's a this or that basically a clash versus cultures and I
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will ask you to choose between Greek or Italian version of
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something um and of course let's start with Greek or Italian olive
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oil that's tough I would
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say okay I like the Greek one very very much yeah
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call Italian wine Italian oh this one they will kill me
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Greek or Italian coffee actually I like Greek coffee because they have more option I like the
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fedo espresso I like um and the Coffee Culture that you can take away the
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coffee you know then they will kill you not me that for sure I'm
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prepared Greek or Italian olives when it comes to the olive itself to the
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olives um well I like a lot the olives from my region from liua so I would say
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Italy Greek or Italian
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Italian ra Rao or lionello no why you do this to
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me that's the toughest decision ever but I would say ra
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sorry Dad Italian gelato or Greek yogurt
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Italian gelato cool so with that we close the
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game section part great and as another new section that I introduced in this
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season I ask some of the audience and people following especially today I ask
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people who came to to listen to the episode recording um to send me some
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questions that they would like to ask you um so I have some question here I
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would see if I go through all of them or what I can do
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um there is one from Gabriel which actually goes pretty much in the
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direction of the this or that so I will put it directly here and it's asking if
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F Jova or pizza
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for because I'm from Genoa I couldn't say
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otherwise from Amina what do you fear the most as a person when do you don't have a fixed
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income especially when living abroad oh that's a very interesting question yeah
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um that's true because there are good things and bad things okay I'm very free
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to work whenever I want but I feel that yeah I don't know what's coming
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next so I have to be prepared and save money yeah so it's unpredictable
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definitely it's a matter of saving it's a matter of saving yeah also from Amino and I think this
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one is pretty interesting how does the dating life differ between Greece and
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Italy okay I'm sorry for the Greek audience but dating life in at is
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horrible um yeah I would say maybe because I didn't live in a big city like
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Milan or well Gena is pretty big it's like 600,000 nothing like aens 4 million
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but I would say it's very different here I find a lot of people are have
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issues like a bit a bit emotionally
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unavailable Maybe maybe there is too much options so you know people cannot
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commit um yeah I found this type of uh problems here see from Lena
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oh did you have to change something about yourself to deal well with this
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city to integrate well with in aent yeah I have to learn to have dinner at 11:00
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p.m. and go to bed like dad makes sense
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yeah from suit can you describe a typical day in your life in Greece compared to Italy
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yeah so here I wake up later I go and do
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Pilates then I do my lessons then I do my if I have any experience you know my
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um then usually I meet with friends I wouldn't say every day but almost every
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day I see someone and I go to bed very late in Italy it
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was like gym work reading
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bad yeah very boring also from Lena and I think it
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goes a little bit close to the um this or that we did with the Greek mythology
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but what Greek mythological character or God do you identify yourself right now
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most no body they are terrible I'm sorry it's kind of true
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yeah yeah you haven't transform yourself into any animal to have sex with anyone not yet not yet not yet maybe esta
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because we don't know a lot about her you know so very mysterious she could be
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good she could be not but who knows
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good another one from Summit how does the culinary seen in Greece is compared
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to Italy culinary like food and restaurants and okay I would say that in Italy we go
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for dinner maybe once a month because it's more expensive the foods it's you
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know you have more proper restaurants um and you go all together here you know uh
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it's very common to go and maybe eat mzes and drink something so I feel that
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here it's more like U something that you can do almost every day yeah makes
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sense the last one that we received for today it's from Michael in the five years that you've
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been here you must have had some good friendships and with experts who left
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Greece over the years does it make harder to invest and commit yourself to making new true friends with experts
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when there may be literally or certainly the options that at some point they are
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leaving while you stay well Mark you will be the first oh
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okay so I will ask you after you will ask me yeah I honestly from the very
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beginning I made an effort to make friends with like um local people more
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than exper and just recently I decided to expand and make friends like a from
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uh everywhere um so yeah no no I didn't have that but I will have
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it soon we'll see but you'll come of you'll
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come I'm not disappearing yeah yeah cool so that was the last question from the
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from the audience um maybe just before we close the
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episode um giving you a little bit the space if you have any project or any um
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I don't know thing that you want to use the platform and and and yeah so
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listeners yeah what I do I do um as I said some um Greek mythology experience
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here in aens where you know I meet people and uh I talk about G mythology
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it's more like a storytelling experience and uh I'm also a teacher I
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teach Italian online as you know and I'm thinking about doing also like a podcast
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or like a YouTube channel combining the two things so like uh creating like
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short stories like storytelling MH in Italian for like Italian Learners so
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that's is going to be my project so stay tuned MH uh yeah cool let's see when the
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episode goes out if the if the YouTube channel is already live of course the follow me on Instagram where is Kara
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that's the important one so for now everything is centralized in Instagram
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uh so of course don't forget to follow kiar on at where is Kiara in Instagram
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and see if at the moment the YouTube channel is already available of course all of these links are always in the
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description of the of the episode so you can check that one um as a wrap up I
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would ask you um to tell us a little bit of one of the crazy stories or like
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funny stories that you had during this year living here in Ence I don't have so
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much crazy story I have one thing that has that is a bit funny that has to do
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with like Greek language misunderstanding so you know that in Greek language we have the polite form
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like in Spanish in Italian which is they call it the pl like the plural so when
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you speak to someone that you don't know you use the plural you all so like for
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example yasu is hello so to you yasas is
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hello but formal uh so I started to notice that my
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friends when they said like thank you they wouldn't Sayo but they would
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sayh and I was like cool that's the formal way to say Thank you so even when
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I was by myself I would say and people were like what this girl
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is crazy why is she speaking using the plural because means we thank you so it
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makes sense that my friends when they were with me they would say but to me to say it by myself didn't
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have sense at all well if you have double Personality yeah can be like you
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know a queen works exactly crazy my bad side it's also saying thank you to you
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guys me and my inner de demons me myself and I we thank
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you cool uh well that's the wrap up for today episode of expat experts I hope
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you all enjoyed uh hearing Kiara's Incredible Journey from Genova to Athens
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and the insights that she had also in Greek mythology and and all the uh
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details that you shared with us thank you so much again uh thank you so much I had so much fun was really funny uh
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again thank you a lot for being the first guest and trying out this new format so uh for everyone who is
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listening um if you like this new format of episodes don't don't forget to subscribe and check out because there
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will be more episodes coming out soon until then keep exploring stay curious
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and see you in the next episode [Music]